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The Genetic Problem of Sin

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9:52 am
October 27, 2010


brian mchenry

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Lately, I have noticed quite a bit of talk in the media about homosexuality and genetics. The claim is that homosexuality is a genetic condition.

Of course homosexuality is a genetic condition.

All sin is genetic.

Sin is part of the fall of man. From the moment that Eve sank her teeth into the fruit which came from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, mankind has been at war with his own flesh. At that moment a mutation occurred within our genepool.

Everyone who has descended from Adam and Eve, has an innate sin nature.

And, you know what?

NONE OF US are able to control that sin nature. Not on our own anyway.

That is where the Holy Spirit comes in. We are incapable of effectively warring against the flesh. But, the Holy Spirit helps to cleanse us from the inside out.

Genetics is not an excuse to sin. God has spoken! His word is final. If he says that homosexuality is a sin, then it is.

The genetic problem of sin takes on different forms in each of us. We all struggle against the flesh. One man may struggle with homosexuality, while another may struggle with heterosexual promiscuity. Both men must fight. If either one of them succumbs to the flesh, then he has sinned.

The same goes for all sin issues.

Until we are clothed from on high with our new body, we will all be at war with the dark forces in the Spiritual realm and with our own flesh. That makes sin a genetic issue.

So what?

Deal with it!

Sin is still sin and Jesus is still the only answer for that problem. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.(Romans 6:23).

11:17 pm
December 2, 2010


SOQ

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Brian,

 

Greetings. I am a new member here as you can probably see, I
happened across this site on my iPhone actually by downloading the app and was
very excited about the opportunities this site presents.

 

Anyway, I can appreciate your thoughts on sin to a certain
extent, but for a large part, if I am understanding you correctly, I disagree.
First of all consider the consequences of what you are saying. If sin is
genetic, as you say, then this means that Jesus, being both fully man and fully
God would have this inherent genetic sin as well. Yet we know that He was
without sin, completely. I mean, the Bible says that Jesus was made in every
way just as we are. Look at Hebrews 2:17, “Therefore, He had to be made like
His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful
high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propriation for the sins of
the people.” (NASB) Since Jesus was made like us in all things (but also fully God) it follows that He also would have this genetic code to sin thus making him sinful right? Yet we know this is not true. I also fail to see how it makes sense that mankind underwent a
genetic mutation when this happened because then this leads to the question,
well, if we underwent a mutation then does this mean that we undergo another
one after we become a Christian? But then, what happens when we sin as a
Christian? Do we undergo another genetic mutation again? I would think that
undergoing so many of these would kill the person.

 

This also raises the question of how Adam and Eve sinned if
they did not in fact have this genetic mutation to begin with. Are you saying
that the only reason we sin is because of this genetic makeup? Cause if so then
we can seem to make no sense of how Adam and Eve sinned since they would be
without this genetic change. It doesn’t seem to me that this idea makes sense
at all nor do I think this idea has a lot of a basis Biblically.

 

Consider another consequence of what you are saying. Sin is
no longer a choice in this case. It means that mankind or rather all of us are
condemned for something we did not do! We did not eat the fruit of the
forbidden tree. Yet if what you are saying is true then God has punished us for
something we did not commit. This seems very unlike God. Just look at Ezekiel
18:20: “The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for
the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.”(NASB) It seems to say very clearly that each person is held accountable for their own actions and since Adam is our fathers fathers fathers fathers father…….it would follow that we also should not be held accountable for Adam's sin.

 

Rather, I think that what makes sin so horribly atrocious to
God, or at least one reason, is that we could have done otherwise. We do not
have to sin, but choose to and God sees this and God is wounded by it to a
degree because He loves us so much. He wants us to come to Him. Sin is also so
horrible because sin cannot be in the presence of God. What I mean by this is
that there will be no sinful people in heaven because God cannot allow this due
to His nature.

 

Also, you said “Genetics is not an excuse to
sin” I
agree with this statement, however, it is hard to see under your view how this
is true. If we are genetically predisposed to sin then how can I be expected to
do otherwise? For instance, I have no actual control over my gender. This is
determined by my genetics though some people believe otherwise, :). Also,
someone’s intelligence level is determined by their genetics to some extent, as
is hair color and so forth. Their genetics program this way. So if our genetics
program us to sin, then how can we do otherwise?

 

It just seems to me that God holds us all responsible for our own
actions, and though we all do sin as you pointed out and none of us is without
sin, we are responsible for the actions we take. I fail to see how God can hold
us accountable for something that we had no control over. Anyway, just some
thoughts, let me know what you think when you have the time. Just so you know
this is something I have thought a lot about, but have not come to a complete
resolution yet. I just know that to me this does not make sense. It is also possible that I have misunderstood what you were trying to say. If this is the case then let me know. Have a great
day.

6:41 pm
July 9, 2012


JamesDauer

Bothell, WA

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I am an evangelical that does homosexual couples counseling.  I think the idea that homosexuality is a choice belongs to the flat earth era of ideas.  Why in the world would some one choose such a behavior?  Every homosexual I know describes a longing and a desire to be with someone just as I long and desire to be with my wife.  

 

What is a choice though is the preference of the church to single out homosexuals instead of the selfish and wealthy.  Notice that on this THoughtful Christianity forum I DO NOT SEE A FORUM TOPIC TO DISCUSS THE SELFISH AND THE WEALTHY! 

 

This forum is probably read by evangelical, middle class on up folks who have no problem buying 52 inch tvs, buying vacation property/time shares, and driving expensive cars.  I myself own a 52 inch tv.  I go to Hawaii (except when i have to put a new roof on), eat very well, and I never hear a sermon on my selfishness.  I do hear sermons at my church on homosexuality and sex before marriage.

 

So the church is merely a sinners prayer club, occasionally sending high school kids to Mexico with a box of old shoes, and will usually have  a few good souls that choose to start a food pantry. 

 

Why does the church target homosexuality when there are dozens of other sins that we are all guilty of?  Hypocrisy.  I will keep attending church until my children move out of the house and then I'm done.  I'm a sinner just like you, and you are a sinner like homosexuals are.  Paul says to do all things in love, this means ALL THINGS. 

In short, why pick on the gays?  Religion can mask hate…

 

James Dauer L.M.H.C. M.S. M Div.,


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